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Post by Phillip Sheppard on Dec 20, 2011 19:12:16 GMT -5
Always? You approached me once. BEFORE the IC. If you were in my position, you would have not said yes to flipping on someone who sorta trusted, who you knew had an HII, and then take the chance of her winning IC and word being out you were gonna flip. If you would, then you are an idiot. You pushed too hard at the wrong people. Agreeing with Joel to vote me out was idiotic on his part, since I had his back. Seriously. And I was probably the only person other than Joel who would seriously flip. Steph told me she wouldn't have voted out Monica, and Natalie is tight. Got no read on Brett, but I don't think he would have flipped. If you would have waited til after the IC to push really hard, I would have come to you and said I was on board. If you weren't telling Gillian everything I might have said maybe. But knowing that you were directly telling others threw me off a bit. As it should. I had to, it took 2 votes to get it done, barring the HII, needed Natalie or Steph in contact prior to IC because of their timezones, 24 hours isn't enough notice for them. Had no idea Joel would be so willing to do it especially after we voted him round prior. Gillian had to know what was going on in order for this to work at all.
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Post by Wendy Jo DeSmidt-Kohlhoff on Dec 20, 2011 21:41:08 GMT -5
There was 24 hours AFTER the IC to contact people. Natalie's Timezone was never a big deal for me.
Face it, you talked to the wrong people and Idol'd out the wrong person. If you had waited like, 6 more hours for the IC to have been posted, it all would have worked out.
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Post by Phillip Sheppard on Dec 20, 2011 22:01:58 GMT -5
There was 24 hours AFTER the IC to contact people. Natalie's Timezone was never a big deal for me. Face it, you talked to the wrong people and Idol'd out the wrong person. If you had waited like, 6 more hours for the IC to have been posted, it all would have worked out. I dont get your preoccupation with the IC. So what if we planned to vote Monica and she won immunity. Then we vote someone else instead. Its not like you are handcuffed until after IC results and can't speak a word of stategy. That is all honestly irrelevant. Natalie's playing both sides is what messed it up. A simple "If Monica's immune, we vote Brett, I'm on board" would have done it, but you were so non-committal and distant from it on AIM, I had to contact Natalie and Stephenie. I can't read your mind know "gee she is secretly acting that way because she is afraid of word getting out and going back to Monica". I cannot read people's minds sorry to say, I can only go based on what you say. If I had known you were 100% on board and you didn't do this on the fence act we could have talked and realized Natalie was playing both sides and gone after Stephenie or Joel as the 5th vote.
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Post by Wendy Jo DeSmidt-Kohlhoff on Dec 20, 2011 22:16:04 GMT -5
Why would I commit to flipping on Monica, and risk her winning Immunity? At that point, I was in a good spot in Monica's POV. Why risk losing that AND her not going?
You read way too much into Natalie telling Na Onka the vote was for Julie. I highly doubt it was an elaborate scheme, but instead she was being friendly.
You tried once to convince me. I didn't even strictly said no. I played along, and pointed out since you didn't have the numbers, I wasn't going to flip. After the IC my plan was to tell you I was flipping, and talk to Joel my supposed ally.
And had you Idol'd out Brett or Steph or Natalie, neither you nor Gillian would have gone home.
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Post by Phillip Sheppard on Dec 20, 2011 22:55:56 GMT -5
Why would I commit to flipping on Monica, and risk her winning Immunity? At that point, I was in a good spot in Monica's POV. Why risk losing that AND her not going? You read way too much into Natalie telling Na Onka the vote was for Julie. I highly doubt it was an elaborate scheme, but instead she was being friendly. You tried once to convince me. I didn't even strictly said no. I played along, and pointed out since you didn't have the numbers, I wasn't going to flip. After the IC my plan was to tell you I was flipping, and talk to Joel my supposed ally. And had you Idol'd out Brett or Steph or Natalie, neither you nor Gillian would have gone home. Yeah, that was Joel's decision, and like I said was not going to argue with the guy using his idol to save our butts. It was literally a split decision and as it turned out very stupid, as was trusting Natalie. I agree with you that Natalie was just trying to be nice to NaOnka, maybe no strategy there and I perhaps read too much into it. "Why would I commit to flipping on Monica, and risk her winning Immunity? At that point, I was in a good spot in Monica's POV. Why risk losing that AND her not going?" ummmmm, it makes no ABSOLUTELY no difference. You commit to Monica going, she wins immunity, we vote someone else. You commit to Monica going, she loses immunity we vote her. Where is the risk whether its before or after the IC challenge its the same. Don't really understand why you would start being straight with me only after the IC challenge or where this risk is. I really wish I knew you were down for voting ONE of them a lot earlier
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Post by Wendy Jo DeSmidt-Kohlhoff on Dec 21, 2011 0:04:27 GMT -5
Because I don't want people knowing I was down to flip. To be honest, I didn't want to take out anyone BUT Monica. Had you or Joel told me about playing the HII, I would have gladly jumped ship.
I just can't believe you thought I was that tight up Monica's butt. I am NEVER up someone's butt. You tried and gave up with me. The convo didn't even last what, 15 minutes?
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Post by Phillip Sheppard on Dec 21, 2011 9:05:49 GMT -5
Because I don't want people knowing I was down to flip. To be honest, I didn't want to take out anyone BUT Monica. Had you or Joel told me about playing the HII, I would have gladly jumped ship. I just can't believe you thought I was that tight up Monica's butt. I am NEVER up someone's butt. You tried and gave up with me. The convo didn't even last what, 15 minutes? Cause of the way you acted, and when Monica found out about the PM, I basically gave up. Didn't make sense for Natalie to do it since she was trying to work with and save NaOnka and telling Monica about that would basically ensure her death, but she did, so her true loyalties were always to Monica and she was the one up her butt.
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Post by Carlos Bernard on Dec 21, 2011 12:35:06 GMT -5
Lets keep the talking (or sneezing) at tribal to a minimum...
K phil?
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Post by Phillip Sheppard on Dec 21, 2011 13:14:40 GMT -5
Yes I will, sorry Carlos I had a hard time resisting
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Post by Joel Anderson on Dec 22, 2011 1:32:03 GMT -5
Taking out Wendy was the worst idea ever.
Wouldn't have done it if I knew she was already thinking about flipping, but she never talked to me about it. No one did. Oh well. *shrugs*
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Post by Wendy Jo DeSmidt-Kohlhoff on Dec 22, 2011 3:26:56 GMT -5
Taking out a solid ally over Brett or Steph or Natalie is kinda the big thing there.
Jolt, you've seen how I play. Of course I'd be down for flipping on a HBIC like Monica.
And I WAS going to tell you about my idea to flip, then Nat found out and told Monica, so I backed so I wouldn't look like a sleazeball.
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Post by Joel Anderson on Dec 22, 2011 4:01:18 GMT -5
Taking out a solid ally over Brett or Steph or Natalie is kinda the big thing there. Jolt, you've seen how I play. Of course I'd be down for flipping on a HBIC like Monica. And I WAS going to tell you about my idea to flip, then Nat found out and told Monica, so I backed so I wouldn't look like a sleazeball. Only barely. We've only played Endurance together, hell, one of the time we both were playing alias against eachother and the game wasn't unlocked afterwards to see what went on. The other one, you got taken out waaaay too early for my liking, especially since you were partnered with a good friend of mine. On the flip side, you know me way better then I know you. I'm the kind of guy who would've totally gone with you if you wanted to flip, since I love changing the game up.
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Post by Joel Anderson on Dec 22, 2011 4:02:34 GMT -5
On another note, is it like... tradition now for me to blindside my closest ally, whom I didn't know was my closest ally, and feel like it was my biggest mistake of the season in this series? ._.
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Post by Wendy Jo DeSmidt-Kohlhoff on Dec 22, 2011 4:10:41 GMT -5
Ya basically. I made a deal with Monica for the F4 to be you, me, her, and Natalie.
Although I had absolutely no intentions of letting her get that close to the F3. I did want to work with her while I could, and I did want to go to the F3 with you.
The Rob blindsided fully cemented my desire to fuck you 4 over and/or beat yo asses. I WAS going to jump ship if we had lost the last Pre-Merge challenge and sent Steph home like Monica said we would have. But when we won, I didn't want to flip to be ineffective. So I settled for just beating everyone.
Ask Carlos and Ian. It's all in my Angry Rant Thread. I gave Carlos approx. 13 different possible episode titles for Episode 9 lololol
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Post by Joel Anderson on Dec 22, 2011 5:14:32 GMT -5
Oh no, I trust you're telling the truth.
The Rob blindside was... less then desirable when carried out. I didn't really want to do it, but I was fearing for my safety and had to be submissive, in a similar fashion to Chet's elimination in S4. Then apparently he ruffled a lot of feathers and everyone was really adament about getting him out.
As for a solid plan... I didn't have one, at least not one at the merge. I pretty much just floated there. I think i have it written down like "Monica is pretty awesome... then again, Wendy's pretty awesome too... and Natalie's pretty nice..." but no real "This is who I'm going to the end with" speeches.
My amount of not doing well... anything up until the merge is probably what also unsettled me to do "something."
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